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I’m having a headache, called “the Saudi officials’ attitude”

November 13, 2008 · 5 Comments

Two weeks ago, a nice Saudi student called me asking if I may help in speaking in the annual Saudi students clubs meeting to improve women involvement and participation in their activities, the Saudi student himself is a firm supporter of women participation and wishes to see more women involved, I said yes of course. The Saudi students Clubs are social students gathering sponsored by the Saudi Cultural attaché to support Saudi students abroad in social and cultural issues. They’re supposed to serve many functions, like gathering Saudi students in religious and national holidays, promoting cultural awareness about Saudi Arabia culture & values, and supporting each others in learning and living abroad.

I received a call on Friday from the cultural office to request my full presentation within few hours, I told the official that I don’t have anything ready and maybe he can wait until Monday to send him a preliminary draft? He said Ok and I have put together some 12 slides on the growing number of Female students in US and their need to be represented and what are the perceived barriers from my perspective. I hinted to lack of standards in organizing clubs activities and the focus on male-only sport activities and lunch for families (Segregated of course). I also hinted to the lack of control from the cultural mission on follow-up on such activities, since members don’t necessarily include all students in the area or share decisions about activities. And there was the issue of harassment, many females try to avoid in dealing with Saudi males. I tried to show that it’s not the lack of initiative of female students that causes their under-representation but rather the lack of supportive environment, quoting a recent UK female student experience in this regard.

Of course, and as expected, the doctor who called me at first referred me to a lower class employee who called me saying that I haven’t given the cultural office its true worth, that they do support active clubs and oblige new clubs to abide by University laws (True, but what’s the relevance?) and that I went political quoting the UK thing, they did expect me to present myself as a proof that Saudi women are greatly supported, they are educated, smart & can talk in public (not necessarily serving the cause they’re talking for) and so on but not bringing obstacles and negativity to the talk….

I missed the whole point of the whole invitation thing, I should’ve said that Cultural mission has supported us and show some evidence of that and some recognition for the government so you guys (The student clubs’ heads) see how great we’ve become…

Regardless of the reprimand on what I’ve written on the draft, I said, OK (some diplomatic approach won’t hurt) and I said I’ll rephrase, then the lower clerk called me up saying there has been a change of plans, we’re not having any presentations afterall and that we’ll call you in the future. I called back the nice Saudi student asking him about his pre-planned presentation and he said yes he’ll present as planned, so it was just me who got cancelled afterall. Now, I’m having a headache since the phone call, that explains why there is a lack of female representaion much better than a thousand words.

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  • Jehad // November 14, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Sorry Hala, but it is all your fault, because the problem come from you, female students, who refuse to deal with us, male students, and I will give you two examples from my surrounding as a research students in one of UK university. One is the case of my wife, she get her PhD two years ago, she been working with her supervisor and colleagues for six years, she had attended a number of conferences around UK, but yet she refused to participate in the Saudi Conferences in the UK for the last two years, why? I cannot stand up in front of those Saudis and let them look at my face, and know how I look like (these were her words). Another example, I elected with other five research students as I post graduate research student committee member, I learned from early stage of the election that there is a Saudi female student among the candidate and thereafter one of the winners beside me, honestly I was proud of her, and I spoke to my wife about my feeling, but what happened in the first meeting was really disappointed, and in somehow insulted, to me, what happened is that, she ignore me like I am invisible and when I ask her a question related to one of the meeting subject, she rudely look at another person and talked about something different, and I imagine her saying to herself how dare you talk to me?. Again I told my wife what happened and she totally supports her behavior why? Do not know. Now from my experience about female students, I can safely say that they look at us as one of only two kinds; a radically restrict person how will look negatively at any active female student who work among men colleagues , or a wolf man who wait a smile from any female to take advantage of her. Hala please prove me wrong.

  • أحمد باعبود // November 15, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Yeah.. it should give you a real headache.
    I don’t think it is you being a female or not.. but you being honest and give your own real opinion.. They expected and wanted you to complement them, but your turned around and wanted to tell them that they have some shortcomings.. how can that be true.. they are perfect just like most of the things in our country!.

    I have not been a student out of the country but I can see why students in general won’t be very excited about participating in the students clubs and more clear to me why female students won’t be interested in participating!.

  • Hala // November 15, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Dear Jehad,
    It’s unfortunate that the segregation between both men and women made us objects of curiosity to Saudi men, and no one regardless of gender would feel at ease being inspected, as your wife expressed. During my work and studies, I always felt at ease dealing with men from outside Saudi, something about Saudi men make me uncomfortable, of course no generalization in here, I still met many Saudis like the student who called me up and many more who are trustworthy and safe to deal with. This is not the case with many others unfortunately.

    Dear Omar,
    Yes, many officials feel that they’re under pressure to show themselves flawless. That’s what deviate them from focusing on their own goals.

    I try to participate in society and socialize with people regardless of the existence of Saudi club or not, but it would be much better to do so under that umbrella.

  • Obscure // November 18, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Adding a comment (might be an ignorant one):

    The feeling of being not comfortable dealing with Saudi men is not becuase most of them are bothering and sexually harrasing in any way BUT

    Because we all have in our cognition, male and female, that we think something bad about the other and expecting the bad always. Our cognition has been already designed. I do bet that all the Saudi men I have met during my tertiary studies abroad are quite considerate.

    In an nutsell, What we think about the other is the problem, at least subconsciously.

    Cheers

  • Hala // November 19, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Obscure…Not at all, Not all Saudi men I have dealt with have made me uncomfortable. I realize that this is a by-effect of culture of segregation, but I don’t generalize here at all, I’m just representing my own experience.

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